Christine asked me today, “What if Song of Songs were the lyrics to a hip-hop song?”
It’d probably be one of those you could lose your salvation listening to. You didn’t know those existed? Hmm. You obviously didn’t grow up in the Church.

*Innocent church-girl smile*

Moulin Rouge. Not the most kosher movie…I mean, the Evangelical-Christian equivalent of kosher. I heard it once described as a retelling of Hosea. What are your thoughts on that one? I found I couldn’t argue.

Is it wrong to find that version of love more appealing than the one propagated in the church? I think talk about mutual submission, Christian romance novels and…married people…all make celibacy look really good.

I know what you all are going to say. “Scandalous” isn’t really a quality most guys are looking for in a wife, is it?

Sigh. Sorry, Mama. I’m trying.


10 thoughts on “

  1. I think a lot of guys (of the sort of church-bred kind you’re probably thinking about), would not have a problem with that scandalous sort of love.  They just haven’t been let near it by their parents or others in their lives that hold them to that “Evangelical kosher” life/lifestyle.
    No guy can remain sane and do what Hosea did unless they are directed to do so by God.  If the guy has to redeem the woman, she better be his, I guess I should say.  I myself cannot trust a woman to respond in this way to a guy’s help.  The women I know slap guys in the face for anything they do that makes them feel uncomfortable or like they should probably reciprocate concern or feelings.
    Good luck on your search.  Just make sure you’re not making your search criteria too specific for even Jesus to fit through.

  2. This comment is in no way connected to my personal life in any way:
    The example that the Church has given of marriage, and sex in marriage does not make it seem something that anyone would want. The Church has tried to “purify” sex, and in doing so has reduced it to an almost guilty meaningless physical activity.
    Who wants to feel guilty? Just get married. What?!
    If God is not afriad to portray sex the was He does in Song of Songs, then why should the Church be any different.
    Now insert the obligatory if you are not married … blah… blah… blah statement here.

  3. Have you ever heard the song, “Scarlet”, by Jars of Clay? It is along that theme and I think it is a very telling song. I think the attraction of Moulin Rouge type stories is that that man loved that woman no matter how horrible she was. It was an unconditional love. (Just like Jesus’ love, of course.) I don’t think the appeal is so much how scandalous she was but rather that she was truly and deeply loved.

  4. God made men and women. Uh-huh.I think the reason our conceptions of what happens between them have been so perverted is because of the truth God meant it to be. It’s like music: Satan pulls his big guns on it. At the same time, this is such a danger-fraught zone we can’t deny it. We have too much history of failing. But the white-washed version most Christians present is NOT what we should be striving for. Non-Christians at least have to have more than one motive when they decide to actually marry a person.

  5. It was perhaps like Jesus’ in that one way. I don’t know the story, but I doubt it is similar in any other way. One thing I tell people online is this: “No matter what you do, I will always love you.” And I take action on it. I love them when they spit in my face. I love them when they hate me. That’s why in most games I play, I am quickly a leader of those around me. I don’t just lead them in the game, etither. They know I truly love them, so they often let me lead them in life, too. Perhaps just a little… But I’m glad I can help people through games. Eep. I got sidetracked.
    Emily, scandalousness isn’t a virtue.

  6. maybe i don’t know the question or gist of your post, but i think you would find great wealth in reading watchman nee’s ‘song of songs, the passionate intimacy of Christ.’ and seeing the relation between us, Christ, and the church, as being (loss of words) a metaphor to marriage.actually, strike that and reverse it, marriage being a metaphor to the beforementioned.when one understands fully their relationship to Christ (in the fullest of ways) their relationship would be more than–satisfactory, in all areas.  and in a marriage, when all the spiritual connections are understood (not in a dry kind of way either) the romantic/sexual life is brought to a place where the Song of Songs could be song over the lovers as a banner of their transaction of love.Does that all make sense?  there was something else, I think I’m leaving out.Ah well.  Many “Christian” marriages fail because there are no roots.  And does ‘failing’ even mean a certificate of divorce?  I guess so.  But, I see either worldy relationships in the church, or really dry ones where there is no concept of the joy of, et-cetera.

  7. eh, actually, going back up to what you said, alot of ‘Christian’ romance that is being promoted seems very shallow, and dry.  Not to say, that a secular relationship would satisfy, no way, that would kill the spirit.  but, dryness is not the goal.  Dryness should not be confused with activity though.  A great reflection on the Church…many think that activity equals love, when in fact it goes deeper than that.  Oye.  What a subject.

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